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SARB.TXT - Text file typed in by <<UFONET I>>, transcript of
^^^^^^^^^^^^ conversation between Stanton Friedman and Dr. Sarbacher
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Note: What follows is the unedited transcript of a cassette tape
that came into my possession some time back . The transcript is
accurate and complete. Words that were difficult to understand in
the recording have been indicated by "(?)".
Grudge 13 & the DULCE PAPERS are of great interest to me. If
you have any information to share on these topics I would be
most interested in corresponding with you. I can be reached
via the UFONET BBS network.
Harvey S. Stewart (02/01/90)
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S: Hello.
F: Dr. Sarbacher.
S: Yes sir.
F: Hi; Stan Friedman up in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
S: Oh for heavens sake.
F: Fact I (?) (cut off by s:)
S: How's it doing?
F: I'm doing fine keeping busy I, as a matter of fact I, I,m
just going through my files there. I tried to get you when
I was just down in Florida on the 21st of September but you
weren't there.
S: No let's see, I was in the Washington state.
F: Oh, that's pretty far from Florida.
S: That's as far as you can get and still stay in the United States.
F: Did you stop and see your old buddy in Texas I found for you?
S: You know, I wanted so much to xxxxxxx xxxxx I was so pleased
F: Ya
S: when you located him. He's really. Did you see him personally?
F: No. Only on the phone.
S: He is the nicest guy.
F: He sounded it. He was cordial.
S: I really like Fred, but I haven't, I didn't get to see him in
Dallas. I didn't get to Dallas.
F: Ah.
S: I skipped Dallas, I went from here to Atlanta and Atlanta to
Portland.
F: Aha.
S: Usually they stop in Dallas.
F: Ya.
S: But the plane didn't, so I didn't see Fred, and I, He's a very
good friend of mine we were classmates.
F: Ya, ya that's what you has told me and that was my clue and that's
how I found him
S: But did you get some good information from him.
F: Well, no, I .. he was most cordial but ah , it was so well covered
up ess (????) he didn't know what was going on... I guess you knew
S: Oh probably (???) enough... the only thing I .. was talking to
one of the fellows.. in your business that work on UFO's,
gee (???) I get lots of letters on it you know.
F: I'll bet mine was the first.
S: It might have been. I think it was, and the only thing I remember
see I was what they call a dollar a year guy then.
F: Ya. I remember.
S: I had to run my own business, my laboratory and I couldn't go to
all the meetings. Now they did have, at least I was told, that's
when Karl Compton was down there.
F: Ya.
S: I was told that they had recovered a UFO with some people in it.
F: Bodies, whatever.
S: I don't know, that's what I think was told.
F: Did he tell you where?
S: Well we were having a meeting at Wright Field and I couldn't
go.
F: Oooohh
S: But later on one of the fellows said to me that those guys, if
they were people, were made like insects. They didn't have any
skin on their bodies.
F: Hmmm.
S: So they were saying that's how they were able to accelerate and
decelerate without being torn apart. You see if we were going
a thousand miles a second and stopped in a minute well we would be
squished.
F: Ummmm, not quite but
S: Well it's pretty bad
F: Well you can, you can receive a hell of a jolt if the force is in
the right direction and if the duration is sufficiently short.
S: Yes
F: Ah but that's with the Research and Development board or did it
precede that when you found this out?
S: I cant xxxxxx (?) remember and I'm not sure that they were right
whether they were just guessing or something.
F: No okay, uh ... well but it is the Research and Development
board meeting that your talking about.
S: Ya Ya
F: Okay . well... who...did ya get any clue as to where the crash
had occurred.
S: Well it was somewhere out West.
F: Okay, and do think that this ... any idea what year this was?
S: Well ya, let's see if Freddy was there in Washington it was in
the early 50's.
F: Okay did they imply the crash had just happened or that this had
happened sometime before
S: Well ya, the conversation was that it had been recovered
F: Ummm.
S: It crashed, that's what they were talking about, we were going
to have a meeting going out to discuss it xxxxx overload xxxx
xxxxxx xxxxx (cant make out both speaking at once)
F: Let's see early fifties now the notes that I sent you from
Wilbert Smith, do you remember, you do remember talking to him.
S: Ya vaguely
F: The Canadian.
S: Ya vaguely
F: Okay, that, his notes were, ah 1950 and let me see exact date
September 15th where his notes 1950. He asked you a question that
you didn't answer at that time which was rather fascinating (??)
maybe you've just given me the answer in a sense, ah he quotes
you as saying " Yes it is classified two points higher even than
the H Bomb. In fact the most highly classified subject in the US
government at the present time." and
S: I don't have the slightest idea why.
F: Well
S: It seems silly to me.
F: Well, his next comment, that was supposedly what you said and
then his next comment was ah "May I ask the reason for the
classification" and you said " You may ask but I can't tell you."
Well think that (cut off)
S: Well probably cause I didn't know.
F: Oh, okay not because of this crash, you see there is no mention
of a crash persay in this note. Do you think it could have happened
after this?
S: I don't know there may have been several of them. Ah there was some
talk that there were.
F: Ah!
S: The things, the things were the crople (???) around that time
they are the (??) things
F: Hmmm ya
S: Eisenhower came in as President as I recall
F: Ya
S: And whenever the Republicans come in they usually stop the research
F: Yep
S: For some reason or other
F: You remember Charlie Wilson (??) " Research is when you don't
know what your doing" or something like that
S: Well its rare(???) here I am with strong(???) Republican
F: (loud laugh)
S: xxxxxxxxxxxx can get in want to put me out of business
F: Well you know I was reading, one of the reasons, one of the things
that prompted the call is I had run across my colleague out in
California Bill Moore and run across the ah Saturday Evening Post
article about the boy genius that you were
S: Oh yes, yes
F: Which was a fascinating article and that that was 1950 also, ah
do you know any clue as to what people were involved beside
Van Bush which clearly
S: Vannevar (??) (cough) excuse me just a minute (10 second pause)
I caught myself a lulu of a cold
F: In Florida??
S: Well you know how it is air-conditioning, you walk into some of